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From Mark
21st March 2006
Mark sent me some pics of things he has bought from one of the most notorious of sellers of fakes on eBay whose full name, address and telephone number is available on request.
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Amongst other things I said he should get over to the yahoo group right away...and here we go...
Does anyone know the seller....egyptianseller on ebay?
I have bought many items from this person but when I started to look around at a website about fake artifacts boy did I learn something. I noticed that I may have been sold alot of fakes.
Can anyone help me I feel the
photos that I have sent to ancientartifacts is going to come back as fake. I have spent alot of money and am currently bidding on something else from this seller. Hope you have some ideas as to help get this seller off of ebay and hopefully my money back if they are really fake.Thanks alot,
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From Tim
HI Mark
In the first place you must cancel your bids for further items!
'Egyptianseller' has never sold an authentic artefact yet, he is the worst of the current crop of fakers. There are well qualified experts on this group who would be only too pleased to give a formal opinion that the items are all fake.
Further than that you should tell him that you are going to return everything you have bought from him and you want all your money back including the shipping costs!
Tell him that if he does not co-operate that you will be making a complaint to eBay and to the police. (Even if he does co-operate, make that complaint anyway after you've got your money back!)
eBay have taken a percentage of your money as 'final value fees' - maybe you could threaten to sue them for its return? They have been told about 'egyptianseller' over and over again and cannot claim innocence, and are complicit in the fraud.
eBay are quite likely to take some notice of a complaint which says you have lost a substantial sum of money, and may even remove this scumbag from their site as a result.
Best of luck! If there's more you need help with let us know and keep us up to date with how you are doing!
From Mark
I did not know paypal was owned by eBay, they make it easy on themselves. I just filed my complaint with paypal, and sent an email via ebay to the seller and explained that what I bought was all fraud. I gave him until this thursday to give a complete refund or I would report them to the police and ebay. I sent a letter to ebay complained about the seller items were fraud and that they knew of their activities from past reports. Waiting as usual for responses.
28th March 2006
From seller on seeing that the emails were copied to me
From: Egyptian Seller
To: Mark
Subject: RE: Egyptianseller Regarding items # 7392432540 and
#7391255326
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 05:02:49 -0800 (PST)
I'm very disappointed that you trusted a competitor
Thanks
Michael Aziz
from Mark
Mike,
I trusted a professor from the University of Georgia head of the Egyptian Artifacts Museum which currently has an exibit ongoing now.
Mark
From: Egyptian Seller
To: Mark
Subject: RE:
Egyptianseller Regarding items # 7392432540 and #7391255326
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 05:34:32 -0800 (PST)
ok i wont make problems with you regarding authenticity once any buyer convinced that his items are fake it is impossible to convince him that it is not
so please let me know what do you need so we can finish this
also be fair on what you ask so we can reach an agreement
Thanks
Michael Aziz
Then an afterthought
From: Egyptian Seller
To: Mark
Subject: RE: Egyptianseller Regarding items # 7392432540 and #7391255326
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:54:10 -0800 (PST)
Dear Mark
This problem must be solved between me and you no one has in be involved in this
No one will help you
Trust me
Please note that you only have 7 days to return the items and you exceed that period
so i have the right not to refund any of your items and eBay and paypal will support me
i want you to know that i am really working hard in finding a way so we both be satisfied
also i want to know if you want to finish this between me and you or you want to get another involved
between me and you will we can solve this faster and without problem
but if you want to get other involved so i will be strike with my policies
Please let me know your opinion
i have no problem to accept your returns but give me 5 days to give you what i can do for you regarding this
Thanks
Michael Aziz
from Mark
Mike,
They will and are helping me right now as we speak. I haven't seen any deposits so you better get going with the deposits. You will get the items back when full restitution has been made and only then. As you know I may need these for court should the refunds are not made.
So far this is between you and I but you are running out of time talking and talking but you have done nothing to take care of this fraudulent act you have committed. I have waited for you to make deposits instead you send notices of non payment for the Triad. The way this can be worked out is for you to make deposits.........full restitution must be made....no other deals. You have until Monday to start with the deposits. No more.
Let's see action now on your part
Good heavens!
I hope that you will stand firm.
Another seller of junk, ancientgr4 used to threaten buyers like this.
Of course the whole thing is hot air,......and ancientgr4 got thrown off eBay eventually.
I would, in your shoes, send a copy of his email to PayPal and eBay as such, and tell him you demand your money back immediately or else you will break off contact with him and put it entirely in the hands of the authorities.
He is adopting this method because I guess a lot of people would feel intimidated. He is actually the party who is frightened.
Can I place his email on the website here I have already placed the pics and some info?
If he does refund all your money, I would still be inclined to follow through in reporting him.
This simply cannot be allowed to continue.
Keep me posted.
I am thoroughly enraged on your behalf!
from Mark
Sure you can use the emails on your website and I have a few more responses from him since these came in. I gave him until close of business today and if no payments are made back to my account with paypal then he can pick the items up when he makes parole and that would be the only time he would get them back. I will send the messages to you now.
From: Egyptian Seller
To: Mark
Subject: RE: Egyptianseller Regarding items # 7392432540 and #7391255326
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 01:53:53 -0800 (PST)
Dear Mark
Now I really want to solve this problem
I am a reseller that buys these items from dealers and resell it I don't have much information about these items they provide me with the items and description
I Trust you and I will work to help you for this matter
To show you that I will solve this problem
I will refund to you the last 3 items you bought and please return it back so I can return it to my dealers and get there money and trust me I will stop dealing with this dealer and start looking for better one
For the other items it is so hard to return it back to my dealers because it been long time since I paid for it
But don't worry I will refund you the rest but since it is huge amount so I cant refund it back all at once and Please note that most of this amount is in my dealers Hand.
Also you should have told me about this problem long time ago so I can solve this problem easily
Now please help me in this try to get me any thing to proof to my dealers that these items are fake and please return it back fast as you can
Also I will ask you to ship each item individually pack each item in separate box including your Name and Item number and pack it will I must receive the items in the same conditions you received it
Please ship it to..... [removed]
Please calm down and I will solve this problem
Thanks
Michael Aziz
from Mark
Mike,
NO ITEMS will be returned now, only when I have a FULL REFUND OF ALL MONIES will you get these back. You are wasting time sending these emails, you have the money and I am sure you know these are fakes. This is not your first infraction. You are the one wasting time. No you will not get them back until I get my money, IN FULL. Instead of BS'ing your way through this just do what is right, you know you have been selling fakes
I am very calm because I have the law on my side and I have the proof!!!!
Deposits Mike, think deposits not BS
From: Egyptian Seller
To: Mark
Subject: RE: Egyptianseller Regarding items # 7392432540 and #7391255326
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 03:55:47 -0800 (PST)
ok Mark
i tried my best to help you
I CANT OFFER THAT AMOUNT
i gave you the best offer that i can do it for you
You mentioned that you will take me to Prison
So do you threaten me
ok your position is not good
I have 7 days returned policy and you exceed that period you paid and left me + feedback
and Please note that i don't live in USA so nothing of the American rules apply on me
so you should make a international Fraud Report and i think that your case is so small for that
also how can you proof that these items were the items that you sold from me 2 month ago maybe you change it with fakes item
and allot more in my right
so now i gave you my offer and i tried to help you and you all you care about is your money Fast
So now you understand your and my situation
Also if you decided to not to solve this problem between me and you I will cancel my offer and wait to see what the court will say and I wont refund a cent to you until I forced to do so
Thanks
Michael Aziz
Ok...what can we do?
I really find this offensive...
and Please note that i don't live in USA so nothing of the American rules apply on me
so you should make a international Fraud Report and i think that your case is so small for that
Would you like to know the seller's email full name and address ?
Anyone here from or near Bayonne New Jersey?
That's where this junk is shipped from.
From Mark to eBay
I have sent you our email communication.
My items which were supposed to be authentic but they are all fakes and I had them looked at by a University Proffessor who has an exhibit right now about ancient Egytian artifacts and he says that they are all fakes.
Then Mike Aziz alias egyptianseller says that I exchanged the real for fakes.
Come on what kind of a person or people do you allow to sell items on your site. I am going to file fraud charges with the police and I will not return these items until I get a full refund.
Ebay you may need to start taking a look at your sellers. Yes you make money with each sale !
But I have believed this seller to be a true one, not very experienced with ancient Egyptian artifact, it looked old the add said it was real but a pro says otherwise. I am reporting this to you because he is a fraud, I withdrew my winning bid for 2 items after I found out these were all fake and he agreed to refund the money, never got it. What are you going to do with this seller?? I want him shut down before he hurts and defrauds more people.
Thank you
From: eBay Customer Support
To: Mark
Subject: Re: PC38258 FR
Member being reported: egyptianseller 518
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:19:32 -0800
Hello,
I appreciate you notifying SafeHarbor with your concern.
We understand your concern in this situation and would like to assure
you that we have taken appropriate action as it pertains to the eBay site based on the information available to us. As a venue for buyers and sellers to meet, eBay has limited legal powers to become involved in a dispute between a buyer and seller. More information on this subject can be found in the "Abusing eBay" section of our User Agreement. You can review the User Agreement at the following page:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/user-agreement.html
Please be aware that our authority does not extend beyond taking action on the eBay site. Although we are unable to provide mediation or initiate formal proceedings against this seller, we will cooperate with any inquires and requests from law enforcement agencies, and we would encourage you to pursue this matter through the appropriate agencies and organizations.
You may want to report your seller to the Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3). The IC3 is a partnership between the FBI and the National White Collar Crime Center (NW3C). The IC3 gives victims of Internet crime an easy way to report Internet crime to local, state, federal, and international authorities. Contact IC3 through this link:
You may also want to consider contacting authorities in your area and where the seller resides. At their request, we will gladly help Law Enforcement with any inquiries they would have.
If you contact a law enforcement officer, please let the officer know that eBay would be pleased to cooperate in the investigation and ask the officer to contact us. He or she can contact us by visiting the link below;
http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/isgw-fraud-ebays-role.html
and clicking the "report information to eBay" link on that page
Please have law enforcement include the following information:
1. The case number
2. The officer's name
3. The officer's telephone number
To find the name of a local law enforcement officer that can help you, please refer to the following link
For more information on options available to you, please review theStandard Purchase Protection page at the address provided below:
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Thank you for your time.
Regards,
Moby
PowerSeller Team eBay
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From Mark
1st April 2006
I got an email from egyptianseller this morning. He requested a deal to refund all money I paid to him. I answered and said not a problem start refunding. He has agreed to refund 3 items now and when I send those items to him he will refund more. I have confirmation from Paypal that he has made 3 deposits. In the end hopefully he will disappear, I doubt it but most like reappear as something else.
I'm pleased for you but bet you eBay does not throw him off!
14th May 06
egyptianseller refunded a little money to Mark.
Then he went quiet.
Here are the two last emails after Mark asked for the refund to continue.
From egyptianseller
From: Egyptian Seller
To: Mark
Subject: Re: Whats the story now??
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 23:08:22 -0700 (PDT)
you left me -ve feedback so now no story
for this -ve you lost over $5000
i think that $5000 is better than 1 -ve
you still want your money
you withdraw your feedback and send me the pic of each item with the item number
then i will start refunding your money
if no just dont reply to this email and do what you want to do
but trust me you will never get any thing from me by any mean
i refunded it you the money of some items and you still didnt trust me
you take the decision
From: Egyptian Seller
To: Mark
Subject: Re: Whats the story now??
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 21:44:14 -0700 (PDT)
also the address in NJ is fake
one more thing i have a lawyer who can deal with all of these small problems in a very good way and he is familiar with these problems
remove your -ve , send me pic for each item then i will start refunding
end of story last thing by the way my name is not Michael
From Tim
15th May 06
His demand to have you remove feedback is called FEEDBACK EXTORTION and is a serious offence under eBay rules. You can most certainly report him for it and this is the sort of thing that eBay WILL take notice of.
22nd March 2006
This must take the prize!
And it's not the first of April yet.
Believe me, this seller is serious.
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